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May 2010
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A study in Our Lord and his Angels

Last time I wrote about the the multiple aspects of our Lord as it pertains to the Trinity.  Since all exist, and their existence is timeless, don't you think that perhaps Jesus had perhaps paid a visit or two to the Earth before he was born in Bethlehem?  

Something that I have heard over the course of a number of sermon/teachings is that Jesus is in the Old Testement - if you know how to recognize him.  Let me start off in the New Testament to lay down the foundation of what I am about to write:  Revelation 22:8-9,  "I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.  But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"

In this passage, John attempts to worship at the feet of an angel, and that angel is very quick to correct him and tell him that he is a fellow servant of God and that if John is going to worship anyone it will be God.  We all know of the events that let to Lucifer and a third of the angels in Heaven being cast out of Heaven, Lucifer wanted to be recognized as an equal worthy of worship, and God has told us he alone is worthy of our worship.  Deuteronomy 5:8-10, "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."

So, getting back to the point I was making, in the Old Testement you will see references to God in a physical form.  Could it be Jesus?  Genesis 3:8, "And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden." There are also references to an Angel of the Lord, and when this angel is worshiped he does not rebuke or chastise anyone not to do it.  Hagar saw him as she fled from Sarai in Genesis 16:7-13, "The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur.  And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?" "I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.  Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her." The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."  The angel of the LORD also said to her:
"You are now with child 
and you will have a son. 
You shall name him Ishmael,  
for the LORD has heard of your misery.

He will be a wild donkey of a man; 
his hand will be against everyone 
and everyone's hand against him, 
and he will live in hostility 
toward all his brothers."

She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: "You are the God who sees me," for she said, "I have now seen the One who sees me."   

Later on in The Bible we see Abraham meet with the Lord and two angels, and as we read we see he shares a meal with him - and Abraham is told that Sarah will have a child.  Further on we see Abraham and the Lord haggling over the city Sodom and trying to find ten innocent people.  The wording indicates that the Lord is interacting with Abraham in a physical person-to-person conversation, rather than in a spiritual discourse.  (Read Genesis Chapters 18-19)

Is it possible that Jesus was here on Earth before his physical birth?  I think it is possible!  In these exchanges he appears in all his glory, but in what would seem to be a quite physical form.  These are sometimes referred to as 'Christophony'.  It is written in the Bible that Jesus has existed since the beginning, so why wouldn't he come down to Earth and represent? It makes complete sense.  Me personally, I can't wait to ask him for myself and know 100% for certain if I am right. 

In considering all of that, consider this - he left it all behind to experience an actual human life.  By experiencing humaity in the physical sense, and dying a physical death as a sacrifice for our sins, we are that much closer to him.  He nursed, just like we did as babies.  He grew up and experienced puberty, facing some of the same temptations we did, knowing the perils of the flesh existed and yet maintained his perfection.  He was a man born with no reputation, under the stigma of being an illegitimate child, growing up on the wrong side of the tracks and having no formal education - yet he knew scriptures as if he wrote them himself (and we know that he is the Word made Flesh).  Almost 2000 years later we can see thr fruits of his labor, of his sacrifice, of his love for you and I.  Don't you feel blessed to know that?


You are correct that Jesus did indeed visit the earth before he became flesh. Read Daniel where they threw Daniel's friends into the burning furnace and instead of there being 3 they saw 4 and one looked like the "Son of God".

I love when He speaks to the Pharisees and informs them that before Abraham, "I AM". Remember the words He spoke to Moses when Moses asked Him whom should he tell Pharaoh who sent him, should Pharaoh ask.